Terraining Contest #15 - Theme Discussion

[TheWhiteWolf]

Idea for new terraining contest

I got a really smart idea for the 15th terraining contest here on Hive.

Contestants should recreate a moment from the history of Azeroth. Every single event that you can find is included, if you have proper documentation about it. Your event can be anything, from the battle of Mount Hyjal, to Deathwing's raid on Stormwind, maybe even Sargeras slaying hordes of demons.


Points should mostly go for execution, and less for the idea.

So, if anyone likes the idea, please say it so I would make a detailed post about it.

 

[Belgarath]

No idea if there's already any threads about this but let's just get the ball rolling anyways. Seeing as the previous contest had a pretty big delay in actually finding a theme, it'd obviously be good to get that done ahead of time this time around.

So, ideas:

- Song interpretation - you get a song / find a song and then have to make a terrain about that song, i.e., interpret that song into the terrain

-Castle - well, make a castle - would definitely be a good one to see some quite cool stuff (hopefully)

-Futuristic - go away from the WC3 universe and away to outer space - I guess this would be worth a shot if enough people are actually keen for it

-Natural Landmark - kind of similar to the world wonders, but instead recreate either a real world landmark (e.g., Black Tusk) or a fictional world landmark (e.g., Mt Caradhras) or an imaginary natural landmark (e.g., the giant wooded three pronged trident mountain of Tyruarl)

-Your idea here!

- Also, the potentiality of this being a playable contest is still up on the table I think, seeing as it was the 5th/10th last time around. IMO, Castle would be a definitely extremely good one for doing playable.
So go and discuss, children.

And of course I offer my judging once again.

 

[Celaquil]

I've got no real suggestions this time around, only opinions to put on the table.

For one, I'd like to voice against playable, simply because I do not like it for contest purposes, yet I can see how my opinion on the matter doesn't really matter much at all

One idea that I'd like to see, though, is co-terraining. Having a contest where two contestants has to come together and do a terrain collaborative. I can see how this is easily cheated in, however, but still. I find it interesting.

 

[kari0003]

Matija97 said it, just wanted to move it to the right place

I got a really smart idea for the 15th terraining contest here on Hive.

Contestants should recreate a moment from the history of Azeroth. Every single event that you can find is included, if you have proper documentation about it. Your event can be anything, from the battle of Mount Hyjal, to Deathwing's raid on Stormwind, maybe even Sargeras slaying hordes of demons.


Points should mostly go for execution, and less for the idea.

So, if anyone likes the idea, please say it so I would make a detailed post about it.

I like the idea though

 

[HammerFist132]

I was thinking about Castle like what belgarath told

 

[-Kobas-]

Why not some interior like picture:
- Simple lovely room
- Prison cell
- Mansion hall
- Torture chamber
- Creature lair
- Throne room
- Alchemy lab
- Cave shelter
- War tent
- Trophy room
- Castle basement
- and god know how many more ideas.

Only thing that must be on all images are: walls, floor and ceiling.

 

[fladdermasken]

Oziris and I are doing the song interpretation for that legendary arena event Pharao's hosting, so I wouldn't attend that on principle. I'm not going to be a roadblock and run you all down a ditch though, so if we end up hosting this I'd gladly pick up the slack on the judging side.

-Castle - well, make a castle - would definitely be a good one to see some quite cool stuff (hopefully)

Almost disgustingly simplistic, but hell, for once I actually see the point in hosting a crowd-pulling terraining equivalent of a blockbuster.

-Your idea here!

Actually, for the sheer hell of hushing up the topic, let's try a "no import," or "UTM only," caption.
See what kind of responses we get for it.

Just putting it out there.

 

[Belgarath]

Oziris and I are doing the song interpretation for that legendary arena event Pharao's hosting, so I wouldn't attend that on principle. I'm not going to be a roadblock and run you all down a ditch though, so if we end up hosting this I'd gladly pick up the slack on the judging side.

Almost disgustingly simplistic, but hell, for once I actually see the point in hosting a crowd-pulling terraining equivalent of a blockbuster.

Actually, for the sheer hell of hushing up the topic, let's try a "no import," or "UTM only," caption.
See what kind of responses we get for it.

Just putting it out there.

i'm not quite sure about the song interpretation anyway because i imagine it'd be quite controversial. if you got the right songs you could interpret it anyway at all and, on a large scale, it'd probably not really work out.
yeah the castle is quite simple, but i've noted a definite lack of mindblowingly awesome castles though. There's good ones, but no truly great ones.
and as you noted, terraining is kind of dying out. It'd be good to pull some people back in.

mmmhmmhm, no import, I don't like the idea of that really. once upon a time I was also of a mind that no import terrains are awesome (they definitely still can be) but by now, imports in huge amounts are so well accepted that it'd be almost strange to have none. but a UTM only caption could work out quite well I think.

histories of azeroth - yeahh that could worrrrk potentially. as long as the events pass a certain threshold of importance, it definitely could (otherwise you could just say shit like, here's arthas building a village in the 3rd human campaign mission. he's the little speck there and thats his village).

 

[Pharaoh_]

What about a Warcraft 3 campaign scene? For example, when Maiev meets Illidan and his Naga stooges, only terrained better

I also like -Kobas-'s suggestion, an interior of a house for example.

 

[snowman990]

interior of a house would be fun

 

[Celaquil]

Interior of a house would be stretched, blurred and tight.
- None of which I recall being synonyms for fun.

 

[snowman990]

*sobs* B...But... it's fun. You can create a fun things in it.

 

[fladdermasken]

Like chairs and plates and cutlery and stuff.

What about a Warcraft 3 campaign scene?

Not a terrible idea. As long as we don't get a scrapload of isometric gameplay footage.

 

[Lordkoon]

If I may give a suggestion I browsed through the other terraining contests and I think nobody did a playable terrain, all was done from certain camera views. How about a terraining contest where you get to explore the terrain with a unit or something. Whatever the theme may be.

 

[fladdermasken]

If I may give a suggestion I browsed through the other terraining contests and I think nobody did a playable terrain, all was done from certain camera views. How about a terraining contest where you get to explore the terrain with a unit or something. Whatever the theme may be.

5th and 10th were playable.

Nowadays? Not recommended. Far as I'm concerned there's bellyache in every directions: appointing judges to go over and review every single entry, what criteria to entail, pulling a big enough crowd to make it worthwhile, etc.

To some, a playable terraining contest would fundamentally be indistinguishable from an ordinary mapping contest.

 

[Lordkoon]

Isn't this the point to all contests. To make it appealing to many more people while not making it judged for a screenshot that takes, what...5 minutes?
Still if you did it at 5th and 10th( and now its 15th ;0 ) got some nice results. I really am not sure how contest of making a good screenshot is classified as 'terrain' playable or not.
As a user who just started browsing older contests I got confused by terraining contests having an angled screenshot for result xX.

Anyway I would then suggest also a sci-fy futuristic theme. How about City of the Future.

 

[sonofjay]

If I may give a suggestion I browsed through the other terraining contests and I think nobody did a playable terrain, all was done from certain camera views. How about a terraining contest where you get to explore the terrain with a unit or something. Whatever the theme may be.

My entry on terraining contest ~BLUE~ is actually playable. >:C

 

[Dr. House]

Just wondering but what about a terrain contest which requires you to make a skyline??? Like the skyline of New York it would be hard, challenging, and i guess difficult. *Might take long though i don't know*

 

[fladdermasken]

Still if you did it at 5th and 10th( and now its 15th ;0 ) got some nice results.

We simply had a bigger crowd back then.

Isn't this the point to all contests.

Bellyache? Seems so. We just have to settle between appendicitis and being constipated from last night's mexican take-out.

while not making it judged for a screenshot that takes, what...5 minutes?

If you're implying terraining, conceptual or otherwise, has any sort of bearing on the time it takes you to draw up a rough sketch, I daresay you have a grave misunderstanding of art. Or you're not serious about it to begin with.

Devil's in the details, and we can definitely rely on that.

I really am not sure how contest of making a good screenshot is classified as 'terrain' playable or not.

Because it fundamentally only touches the terrain editor.

See below.

As a user who just started browsing older contests I got confused by terraining contests having an angled screenshot for result xX.

If a terraining contest has gameplay elements it is indistinguishable from a mapping contest. If it doesn't have gameplay elements, there's literally no point in submitting a full map since the judging would be placed on the aesthetic side anyways.

If the only thing aching at you, is, that you don't want to consider the map waste when you're done with the screenshot, then by all means; make it playable. Just submit a screenshot that you're particularly happy with.

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Just wondering but what about a terrain contest which requires you to make a skyline??? Like the skyline of New York it would be hard, challenging, and i guess difficult. *Might take long though i don't know*

Tried it long ago. It was painful.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Minimalism.

I'd say more, but...

 

[sonofjay]

Krad...... This is a miracle!!!

 

[HOooDy]

Hmm..... may I suggest thinking a bit more advanced for a unique type of contest that is fun for all terrainers which will allow them to do anything they want instead of being limited to what you say "playable"? If you don't use any doodads and all destructibles it will be playable no matter what it is. I think this would be the coolest thing for the #15 terraining contest. What I hint towards is the useage of a physics system so you can make anything you want instead of another basic melee map or something. Just no doodads though if you like this idea for doodads can't be interacted with.

 

[sonofjay]

We're making a terrain in one screenshot, not a terrain that will be submitted as a map.

 

[kari0003]

That awesome moment when noobies try to tell you what is a terraining contest about

No offense - im newb too (and i do the same with the techtree contest )

 

[HOooDy]

That awesome moment when noobies try to tell you what is a terraining contest about

No offense - im newb too (and i do the same with the techtree contest )

 

[sonofjay]

@Dat-3c, so what is your point? Terraining contest is running like this for years. And even the terrain section is like this. If you want a playable then make your own. I'm also a terrainer that can do playable maps but I prefer a screenshot terrain on contest. Also physics system is job for coders not terrainers.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Then this isn't really a terraning contest...... You may as well should just use photoshop then...

What makes it a terraining contest is that, NO ONE uses photoshop. They use the terrain editor.

 

[HOooDy]

Then this isn't really a terraning contest...... You may as well should just use photoshop then...

The Most Important Rule For The Terrain Contests ..

DON'T Fu*ki'n Use Photoshop Or Any Editing Picture Programs. ..

 

[sonofjay]

@Dat-3C, you said you hate terraining and now you keep arguing how the terrain contest should be...

All I am saying is that your terrain could be used for so much more and would help coders/triggerers like me

Oh so your motive is to use the terrain that we'll make after we finish it... cool.

If we terrainers want to help someone on their project we will contact them instead.

I dislike terraining due to it being boring

Then why are you here?

If you want to have a good terrain for your map, why don't you practice? You know you won't lose anything if you try.

 

[HOooDy]

Empire Jackal you should compete in a trolling contest, you'd win or at least obtain second place I am sure of it.

.. Maybe

 

[Lordkoon]

Has the recreation of famous (or not so much) places (nature and others, deserts, snapshots of natural enviroment etc) been considered ? Altho it would lack creativity because the view is set it would be interesting and fresh.
For example

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the contest judge would point out 20-30 pictures from which the contestants would choose for their work (or everyone's unique choice is their decision)

 

[fladdermasken]

We did something in the same ballpark but completely fictional for the 13th contest.

Gotta say, castle or campaign scene would be my first choices.

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

I would vote for Campaign scene. But I think it's better to make any scene from the Warcraft lore, not only the ones from the campaigns.

 

[HOooDy]

How About :

BattleField .. War Scene Or Anything Related With World War I Or World War II ..

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

That was done already.
I would also vote for the Campaign Scene.

 

[Lordkoon]

4 months of 'discussion' , merely 3 pages of comments by mostly 4-5 people. Do we really need a terraining contest? Don't get me wrong I would love to try such for the first time.

 

[M0rbid]

Well, the past has shown that activity is not the problem with terraining contests.
I will host one right after finishing the Minicontest.

 

[morbent]

Hmmm... campaign I guess would kinda suck. Why not castle?

 

[BeTaGod-]

Castle would be so sweet. Sign me in if so!

 

[Deleted member 212788]

Can a Temple/Sanctum be considered as a castle? Why not instead of castle, make it royal scene?

 

[fladdermasken]

I, for one, think the chances of this ever being hosted is growing dimmer with the amount of people who are actively terraining.

There's also the part where we have no terrain moderator, and no one active enough really qualified for the position as I see it.

Actually though, gotta say it might be fun watching who picks up the slack now that Keiji, M0rbid and I won't.

 

[Marsal]

Modern ruins theme? For example a ruined city of storage house

 

[Deleted member 212788]

Why not seclusion ?

 

[fladdermasken]

Why do you keep asking like the idea's been spited already? That's a bit weird.

 

[Celaquil]

There's also the part where we have no terrain moderator, and no one active enough really qualified for the position as I see it.

Actually though, gotta say it might be fun watching who picks up the slack now that Keiji, M0rbid and I won't.

Yeah, considering the fact that the "hierarchy" won't have a moderator solely for the Terrain Board doesn't at all entice any terrainer I'd vouch for to come forth and do the job. Seems the only kind of moderator there'll be these days are "Resource Moderators," now finding a moderator versed in both terraining and... Say, skinning or modelling would be a long shot, especially since the only one coming to my mind has left the site in relation to a dispute formerly conducted, shamefully enough.

We'll either never have one, in which case I'm sure Pharao will likely host a Terrain Contest or two, or we'll have some form of half-ass/half-wit moderator knowing nothing in terms of the fine art of Terraining.
- I see a glorious future for us few terrainers left.

 

[-Kobas-]

Guys don't worry much about contest host, after all contest theme is all yours and the only thing that actually maters is good judge, again you can ask some experienced terrainer to take that place.

 

[TheWhiteWolf]

I would still vote for Campaign or Battle Scene. It will make people not only do the terrain, but also find a way to put units in it and make clear that they are fighting

 

[Pharaoh_]

I am very much fond of "Battle Scene", I would love to participate

 

[Celaquil]

It's not my place to decide, but "Battle Scene" seems to me to reek of the same aura as:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/contest-archive-227/terraining-contest-11-battlefields-184433/
- Now, I don't know about you guys, but I for one wouldn't really like repeating history,
rather come up with something new and interesting, rather than doing something that's done before.

Oh and... Units VERY RARELY looks good in terrains.

 

[SA Dashie]

I would love to join a ruins terraining contest.
I might not be known in the terraining border for much but I would challenge anyone here at the hive, Esspecialy that fladder kid.